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Head-2-Head Superstar Review (Best Hockey Player Ever): Bobby Orr vs. Wayne Gretzky

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By Matthew Awrey
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Up until Orr played in the NHL, the term ‘stay-at-home defenseman’ did not exist. Reason being, every defenseman was virtually a ‘stay-at-home defenseman.’ As an 18 year old, playing for the last place Boston Bruins, the winds of change were already palpable. The leading NHL scorer had less than 100 points, the Norris Trophy Winner, Harry Howell, had 40 points, and Bobby Orr, the Calder Cup Winner had 41 points in only 61 games. Three years later, Orr turned the hockey world upside down with 33 goals and 120 points to become the first ever defenseman to win the Art Ross Trophy. The next year turned out to be his strongest in terms of point production (139), finishing second to teammate Phil Esposito for the Art Ross Trophy. He went on to have four more consecutive 100+ point seasons winning the Art Ross Trophy again in 1975 and tallying the most assists in the league five out of six years.

What were his peers doing in terms of point production at the time? The top defenseman on each team in 69-70 ranged from 37-42 points. In 70-71 the number two scoring defensemen had 51 points, in 71-72 Park had 73 points but other team leading defenseman were still falling in the 25-41 points per season range. Right through the 75 season, Orr at least doubled, if not tripled, the point production of opposing team’s leading Blue-liners, and outscored most of the top producing forwards throughout the league as well.

Like Orr, Gretzky debuted as a teenager, albeit a 19 year old, and subsequently turned the hockey world on its head his first year in as he tallied the league leading number of helpers (86) and went on to tie Marcel Dionne, the Art Ross Trophy winner, with 137 points. For the next seven consecutive years, Gretzky went on to win the Art Ross Trophy, ten times in his NHL career playing on three different teams. He was the leading assist man in the NHL for 13 consecutive seasons, 14 of 15 seasons playing on two different teams. He was the top goal scorer in the NHL five of six years spanning 1982-1987. So, what were his peers doing at the time?

wayne gretzky is considered the best pure passer in nhl history
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Let’s take a look at scoring leaders through Gretzky’s rise with the Edmonton Dynasty. In the ‘80-‘81 season, Gretzky, although outscored (goals alone) by Bossy, Dionne, and Simmer, was the leading point producer by 29 points. In the ‘82 season, Gretzky, lead every point production stat except PP goals. He was the first to break 200 points with 212 in the regular season compared to the league’s second best, Mike Bossy at 147. The next year he increased his dominance, expanding the gap in point production to 72 points, over Peter Stastny, and the next year again breaking 200 points (205-126 over teammate Paul Coffey). In the ‘84-‘85 season Gretzky had 208 points, 73 more than the second place scorer. In ‘85-‘86 he won the scoring title by 74 points, with 215 points, followed by Mario Lemieux’s 141. Gretzky had 75 points more than the second leading scorer, Lemieux, in 86-87.

Gretzky’s escalating performance accounts for the largest jump in point production in any period, and he was able to sustain this level of offensive production on three different teams. I will surely not live to see the day that another NHL player exhibits more pure scoring power than the ‘Great One.’


Bobby Orr played when rivalries were fierce, ‘Home and Homes’ actually meant something, and Defensemen did not often score. Wayne Gretzky, however -- although he played during the expansion period -- has generated more offense than any one player of his time by a considerable margin. Gretzky’s scoring prowess ultimately had no peer. In terms of sheen scoring ability and point production, Gretzky is the “Greatest” by a large margin.


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Scoring Power - Head-2-Head Superstar Review (Best Hockey Player Ever): Bobby Orr vs. Wayne Gretzky
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Head-2-Head Superstar Review (Best Hockey Player Ever): Bobby Orr vs. Wayne Gretzky

Scoring Power

By Matthew Awrey
 

H2H ROUND-1: Scoring Power

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View Official Scorecard
bobby orr skated faster than gretzky or any other nhl great
(Credit: BobbyOrr.net)

Up until Orr played in the NHL, the term ‘stay-at-home defenseman’ did not exist. Reason being, every defenseman was virtually a ‘stay-at-home defenseman.’ As an 18 year old, playing for the last place Boston Bruins, the winds of change were already palpable. The leading NHL scorer had less than 100 points, the Norris Trophy Winner, Harry Howell, had 40 points, and Bobby Orr, the Calder Cup Winner had 41 points in only 61 games. Three years later, Orr turned the hockey world upside down with 33 goals and 120 points to become the first ever defenseman to win the Art Ross Trophy. The next year turned out to be his strongest in terms of point production (139), finishing second to teammate Phil Esposito for the Art Ross Trophy. He went on to have four more consecutive 100+ point seasons winning the Art Ross Trophy again in 1975 and tallying the most assists in the league five out of six years.

What were his peers doing in terms of point production at the time? The top defenseman on each team in 69-70 ranged from 37-42 points. In 70-71 the number two scoring defensemen had 51 points, in 71-72 Park had 73 points but other team leading defenseman were still falling in the 25-41 points per season range. Right through the 75 season, Orr at least doubled, if not tripled, the point production of opposing team’s leading Blue-liners, and outscored most of the top producing forwards throughout the league as well.

Like Orr, Gretzky debuted as a teenager, albeit a 19 year old, and subsequently turned the hockey world on its head his first year in as he tallied the league leading number of helpers (86) and went on to tie Marcel Dionne, the Art Ross Trophy winner, with 137 points. For the next seven consecutive years, Gretzky went on to win the Art Ross Trophy, ten times in his NHL career playing on three different teams. He was the leading assist man in the NHL for 13 consecutive seasons, 14 of 15 seasons playing on two different teams. He was the top goal scorer in the NHL five of six years spanning 1982-1987. So, what were his peers doing at the time?

wayne gretzky is considered the best pure passer in nhl history
(Credit: NHL.com)

Let’s take a look at scoring leaders through Gretzky’s rise with the Edmonton Dynasty. In the ‘80-‘81 season, Gretzky, although outscored (goals alone) by Bossy, Dionne, and Simmer, was the leading point producer by 29 points. In the ‘82 season, Gretzky, lead every point production stat except PP goals. He was the first to break 200 points with 212 in the regular season compared to the league’s second best, Mike Bossy at 147. The next year he increased his dominance, expanding the gap in point production to 72 points, over Peter Stastny, and the next year again breaking 200 points (205-126 over teammate Paul Coffey). In the ‘84-‘85 season Gretzky had 208 points, 73 more than the second place scorer. In ‘85-‘86 he won the scoring title by 74 points, with 215 points, followed by Mario Lemieux’s 141. Gretzky had 75 points more than the second leading scorer, Lemieux, in 86-87.

Gretzky’s escalating performance accounts for the largest jump in point production in any period, and he was able to sustain this level of offensive production on three different teams. I will surely not live to see the day that another NHL player exhibits more pure scoring power than the ‘Great One.’


Bobby Orr played when rivalries were fierce, ‘Home and Homes’ actually meant something, and Defensemen did not often score. Wayne Gretzky, however -- although he played during the expansion period -- has generated more offense than any one player of his time by a considerable margin. Gretzky’s scoring prowess ultimately had no peer. In terms of sheen scoring ability and point production, Gretzky is the “Greatest” by a large margin.


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7 Comments So Far …

  1. JJ JJ says:
    Although Gretzky had the numbers, it doesn't seem that he was ever the sharpest knife in the drawer...and you think Gretzky was was more instrumental to his team than Orr because of his brains?

  2. Matt Awry Matt Awry says:
    JJ... Perhaps I should have clarified my statement by referring to hockey sense...or hockey IQ... I am pretty sure neither Gretzky nor Orr were Rhode Scholars...

  3. Wayne Newton Wayne Newton says:
    I love Gretzky, He was a great offensive machine, But what Orr did in his short time in the NHL was beyond great. The most telling stat-+597 in 657 games. Gretz is +518 in 1,487 games and had multiple 200 point seasons (which by the way he still couldn't top Orr's +124 for a season).

  4. ben ben says:
    I've got to go with Gretzky. FIrst of all just look at his stats. He's the only person to get pass 2000 points. He has more assists than anyone else has points. And he has the most goals than anybody else. In 1400 games, he got 2800 points (approximately). Thats double. Bobby Orr only has a third more points than he does have points. Gretzky's the only one who got past the 200 point mark in a single season. And he even did that 4 times. Then everybody talks about the different positions they play. But if you watch Gretzky's games, for half of the time he's on the ice, he switches places with the defencmen. Now thats amazing. So in the end, I have got to give Gretzky the brighter light.

  5. Halia Halia says:
    Gretzky was a master at intercepting passes, knocking down pucks, and stick checking...he was really great at causing turnovers in the neutral zone..You don't put up those kind of numbers without knowing what to do when you don't have the puck...no one could see the game like gretzky...

  6. Lon Caselton Lon Caselton says:
    If you have any questions about who was the Greatest ever, all you need to do is watch "Above and Beyond". It tells the whole story of Gretzky and his significance to not only Hockey but his accomplishments compared to other sports. He did more for the game than anyone. Retired since 99 (figures) still holds about over 50 records. Think about that.

  7. Cape Cod Paulie Cape Cod Paulie says:
    Bobby Orr was the most incredible, complete and unearthly player the NHL has ever known. In fact, he may be the greatest professional athlete of all time. Gretzky was superb but was not a complete player. Orr was multi-dimensional and tough ... Gretzky was only a scorer. Bobby Orr is the greateast hockey player of all-time. BTW, Gordie Howe is #2.

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